Is it the general consensus that Zoom's Aero News Network is not
completely trustworthy? It would seem he is just re-posting news he
gets from some source. But I wonder if he doesn't "doctor up" the
articles himself. If he's doing that, then they should throw him off
the internet. I wonder if there is proof of him doing just that??
I've read his website, but I get the feeling he's censoring the news.
If so, he probably needs the Aero News Network as a sounding board to
keep his ability to post news in some fashion the way he wants it
posted. I wonder is there is another site like his that posts news
that isn't under an influence of someone of his character?

Are you always so prone to understatements? To say that the Aero News
Network is not completely trustworthy is the understatement of the
century. About the only thing you can really trust are the many
stories copied from news releases from other sources which are rarely
if ever credited to the source as is done in any real news source.
ANN, like his defunct printed Aviation Enquirer are little more than
aviation trash tabloids worth exactly what you pay for them...nothing.
I won't claim that to be the "general consensus" but will wager few
beyond "Yawn" will find substantial reason do disagree.




TSS7 wrote:
> Is it the general consensus that Zoom's Aero News Network is not
> completely trustworthy? It would seem he is just re-posting news he
> gets from some source. But I wonder if he doesn't "doctor up" the
> articles himself. If he's doing that, then they should throw him off
> the internet. I wonder if there is proof of him doing just that??
> I've read his website, but I get the feeling he's censoring the news.
> If so, he probably needs the Aero News Network as a sounding board to
> keep his ability to post news in some fashion the way he wants it
> posted. I wonder is there is another site like his that posts news
> that isn't under an influence of someone of his character?

"TSS7" > wrote in message
...
> Is it the general consensus that Zoom's Aero News Network is not
> completely trustworthy? It would seem he is just re-posting news he

It's pretty clear that Campbell is a sleazeball of the first order but there
are other people involved in ANN also. I doubt that everything is done or
massaged by him. Most of the stuff appears to be simply reposting of press
releases and newswire stuff, simply enough to keep the front page fresh
enough to keep people having a peek. It's the hit numbers that allow the
site to lure advertisers. The site appears mostly innocuous enough, but it
doesn't offer much if anything fresh. The columns are all old and poor, lots
of promises for the future that I've seen for a long time. I've stopped
looking for the most part. There are other, better sources for real news.

Avweb is pretty good. Airwise has constant updates. There's lot's out there.

In a previous article, said:
>gets from some source. But I wonder if he doesn't "doctor up" the
>articles himself. If he's doing that, then they should throw him off
>the internet. I wonder if there is proof of him doing just that??

"throw him off the internet"? What the **** are you talking about? The
cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.

Fox News has a web site too.

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STOP DOING IT!" -- Jeremiah Weiner

"TSS7" > wrote in message
...
>I wonder is there is another site like his that posts news
> that isn't under an influence of someone of his character?

http://www.avweb.com/

("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
> "throw him off the internet"? What the #$%* are you talking about? The
> cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.
>
> Fox News has a web site too.


So does CBS, ABC, ......and CNN :-)


Montblack

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:29:19 -0600, "Montblack"
> wrote:

>("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
>> "throw him off the internet"? What the #$%* are you talking about? The
>> cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.
>>
>> Fox News has a web site too.
>
>
>So does CBS, ABC, ......and CNN :-)
>
>
>Montblack
>


Well yes, but I want exclusive aviation news. The networks seem to
grab the bigger stories, and have little interest in sport aviation.
I'm going to check out avweb, and see if they have similar types of
news. I suspect that ANN posts mostly news off the wire without
massaging it. But the problem is, the reader would have no way of
knowing which stories have been doctored up. I used to suscribe to the
US Aviator back in the 80's and it was a good magazine. Somewhere
along the way, Zoomer seemed to slip off beaten path and went down the
wrong one. But it's not unusual for insanity to manifest itself later
in life. One of the guys that used to fly with me on the airline used
to skydive with Zoom. And he said he was normal back then, and that
was back in either the late seventies or early eighties. But then
again, how normal is anyone who skydives :-)

In a previous article, said:
>On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:29:19 -0600, "Montblack"
> wrote:
>>("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
>>> "throw him off the internet"? What the #$%* are you talking about? The
>>> cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.
>>>
>>> Fox News has a web site too.
>>So does CBS, ABC, ......and CNN :-)
>Well yes, but I want exclusive aviation news. The networks seem to

You missed the point. Montblack and I were pointing out that much, much
bigger organizations that massage the news to fit their twisted world
views are posting on the internet every day.

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/11/15/live_desk_follows_script_of_fox_news_memo.php


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So logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood, and
therefore a witch.

In article >, Paul Tomblin says...
>
>You missed the point. Montblack and I were pointing out that much, much
>bigger organizations that massage the news to fit their twisted world
>views are posting on the internet every day.


....and if your the object of the twisted news who knows but you? That's the
advantage zoom had originally when he still had the magazine. He wrote what he
wanted and if you wrote a letter to the editor giving your side it was never
printed. At best he would cherry pick a statement that appeared to support his
position. Been there done that

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility".....chuck s

In a previous article, ChuckSlusarczyk > said:
>In article >, Paul Tomblin says...
>>
>>You missed the point. Montblack and I were pointing out that much, much
>>bigger organizations that massage the news to fit their twisted world
>>views are posting on the internet every day.
>
>
>...and if your the object of the twisted news who knows but you? That's the
>advantage zoom had originally when he still had the magazine. He wrote what he
>wanted and if you wrote a letter to the editor giving your side it was never
>printed. At best he would cherry pick a statement that appeared to support his
>position. Been there done that
>
>Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"Freedom of the press belongs to those who own presses"

Fortunately, thanks to the Internet, we all own presses.

--
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Home pages are the pet rock of the 90s. They all have them, they all think
they're very cute. But in a few years they're going to look back and be
pretty embarrassed. -- Kim Alm

....snip

> One of the guys that used to fly with me on the airline used
> to skydive with Zoom. And he said he was normal back then, and that
> was back in either the late seventies or early eighties. But then
> again, how normal is anyone who skydives :-)

....in the late 70s (1979, to be exact) he was being carted off from
Tulsa in a butterfly net by his daddy because he was caught
impersonating a doctor (using his grandfather's medical bag, white coat
and I.D.) and scheduling his girlfriend for a hysterectomy. here's a
few graphs of the Tulsa Tribune article:

Tulsa Tribune

Jan 4, 1979
Page 1A
" Doctor No
All 'physician' lacked was a license
By STEVE WARD

Dashing young Dr. James Campbell had a standing offer with co-workers
and
neighbors at his apartment complex: Call him if they needed a doctor.
They
called often. He came to the rescue of a woman having a heart attack,
gave
first aid to a girl with a bad cut on her forehead, treated an next
door
neighbor's baby who had a cold and was planning to perform surgery on
his
girlfriend.

Everyone liked Dr. Campbell. He told them he was a man of the world -
he
was working with the CIA, was a Vietnam veteran, a daredevil who once
tried
to parachute off the world trade center in New York City and was
licensed
to fly commercial jets. The only thing wrong was that Dr. Campbell,
who
practiced in Tulsa for four months, was not a doctor.

Campbell was described by his father as being a "schizophrenic" who has
tried to convince even his parents that he is a doctor, even though he
never has attended medical school, officers said. Yet he functioned in
a
Tulsa suburb as a doctor, although he apparently never performed
surgery,
until last week. Everyone who came in contact with him until recent
weeks
was impressed."

now, i don't know what, exactly, you use as a benchmark for normal, but
in this case the manifestations of, shall we say, abnormality showed up
rather early in life.

al

....snip

> One of the guys that used to fly with me on the airline used
> to skydive with Zoom. And he said he was normal back then, and that
> was back in either the late seventies or early eighties. But then
> again, how normal is anyone who skydives :-)

....in the late 70s (1979, to be exact) he was being carted off from
Tulsa in a butterfly net by his daddy because he was caught
impersonating a doctor (using his grandfather's medical bag, white coat
and I.D.) and scheduling his girlfriend for a hysterectomy. here's a
few graphs of the Tulsa Tribune article:

Tulsa Tribune

Jan 4, 1979
Page 1A
" Doctor No
All 'physician' lacked was a license
By STEVE WARD

Dashing young Dr. James Campbell had a standing offer with co-workers
and
neighbors at his apartment complex: Call him if they needed a doctor.
They
called often. He came to the rescue of a woman having a heart attack,
gave
first aid to a girl with a bad cut on her forehead, treated an next
door
neighbor's baby who had a cold and was planning to perform surgery on
his
girlfriend.

Everyone liked Dr. Campbell. He told them he was a man of the world -
he
was working with the CIA, was a Vietnam veteran, a daredevil who once
tried
to parachute off the world trade center in New York City and was
licensed
to fly commercial jets. The only thing wrong was that Dr. Campbell,
who
practiced in Tulsa for four months, was not a doctor.

Campbell was described by his father as being a "schizophrenic" who has
tried to convince even his parents that he is a doctor, even though he
never has attended medical school, officers said. Yet he functioned in
a
Tulsa suburb as a doctor, although he apparently never performed
surgery,
until last week. Everyone who came in contact with him until recent
weeks
was impressed."

now, i don't know what, exactly, you use as a benchmark for normal, but
in this case the manifestations of, shall we say, abnormality showed up
rather early in life.

al

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:40:51 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

>In a previous article, said:
>>On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:29:19 -0600, "Montblack"
> wrote:
>>>("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
>>>> "throw him off the internet"? What the #$%* are you talking about? The
>>>> cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.
>>>>
>>>> Fox News has a web site too.
>>>So does CBS, ABC, ......and CNN :-)
>>Well yes, but I want exclusive aviation news. The networks seem to
>
>You missed the point. Montblack and I were pointing out that much, much
>bigger organizations that massage the news to fit their twisted world
>views are posting on the internet every day.
>
>http://www.newshounds.us/2006/11/15/live_desk_follows_script_of_fox_news_memo.php


Oh, I absolutely agree with that. The one issue that really has me
steamed is that issue in the Jacksonville area that bans building a
hombuilt in your own garage. That's one that needs to be overturned.
If other cities get wind of it, it could spread. If a builder was in a
shop that was not visible from the outside, it would be an
unenforceable rule. But not every builder has that setup.

That explains everything, it seems the insanity set in a lot earlier
than I had ever imagined. That being the case, we are wasting our time
with that dude, he's beyond help. Lawsuits won't make him any sainer.
The best that can be done is to spread the word far and wide about his
metal makup. Then the sain world will take his statements with the
proper perspective. But it's amazing how long someone can get away
with lies before some people find out the reason.

On 20 Dec 2006 08:35:58 -0800, "olympusE1" >
wrote:

>...snip
>
>> One of the guys that used to fly with me on the airline used
>> to skydive with Zoom. And he said he was normal back then, and that
>> was back in either the late seventies or early eighties. But then
>> again, how normal is anyone who skydives :-)
>
>...in the late 70s (1979, to be exact) he was being carted off from
>Tulsa in a butterfly net by his daddy because he was caught
>impersonating a doctor (using his grandfather's medical bag, white coat
>and I.D.) and scheduling his girlfriend for a hysterectomy. here's a
>few graphs of the Tulsa Tribune article:
>
>Tulsa Tribune
>
> Jan 4, 1979
> Page 1A
> " Doctor No
> All 'physician' lacked was a license
> By STEVE WARD
>
>Dashing young Dr. James Campbell had a standing offer with co-workers
>and
>neighbors at his apartment complex: Call him if they needed a doctor.
>They
>called often. He came to the rescue of a woman having a heart attack,
>gave
>first aid to a girl with a bad cut on her forehead, treated an next
>door
>neighbor's baby who had a cold and was planning to perform surgery on
>his
>girlfriend.
>
>Everyone liked Dr. Campbell. He told them he was a man of the world -
>he
>was working with the CIA, was a Vietnam veteran, a daredevil who once
>tried
>to parachute off the world trade center in New York City and was
>licensed
>to fly commercial jets. The only thing wrong was that Dr. Campbell,
>who
>practiced in Tulsa for four months, was not a doctor.
>
>Campbell was described by his father as being a "schizophrenic" who has
>tried to convince even his parents that he is a doctor, even though he
>never has attended medical school, officers said. Yet he functioned in
>a
>Tulsa suburb as a doctor, although he apparently never performed
>surgery,
>until last week. Everyone who came in contact with him until recent
>weeks
>was impressed."
>
>now, i don't know what, exactly, you use as a benchmark for normal, but
>in this case the manifestations of, shall we say, abnormality showed up
>rather early in life.
>
>al

In article >, TSS7 says...
>
>That explains everything, it seems the insanity set in a lot earlier
>than I had ever imagined. That being the case, we are wasting our time
>with that dude, he's beyond help. Lawsuits won't make him any sainer.
>The best that can be done is to spread the word far and wide about his
>metal makup. Then the sain world will take his statements with the
>proper perspective. But it's amazing how long someone can get away
>with lies before some people find out the reason.
>

What he does is when things get to hot he lays low and waits for things to blow
over .And since we Americans have a short attentive span we move on to other
things and by then he has a whole new group of newbies to impress with his bull.
So until he is held accountable for what he has done to people the best we can
do is to periodically expose him for the fraud that he is.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool some of the people some of the time,most of the people none of
the time and jaun all the time"...........chuck s

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
<snip>
>>
>
> "zoom can fool some of the people some of the time,most of the people none of
> the time and jaun all the time"...........chuck s
>

OK, Chuck, now you have gone too far. You can expect a formal demand
for retraction from your nearest United Fool's Organization, in your
case it's UFO local OU812. How dare you insult fools by comparing them
to yawn? You should be ashamed of yourself and check yourself into the
Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada for counseling.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article >, Dan says...
>
>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
><snip>
>>>
>>
>> "zoom can fool some of the people some of the time,most of the people none of
>> the time and jaun all the time"...........chuck s
>>
>
> OK, Chuck, now you have gone too far. You can expect a formal demand
>for retraction from your nearest United Fool's Organization, in your
>case it's UFO local OU812. How dare you insult fools by comparing them
>to yawn? You should be ashamed of yourself and check yourself into the
>Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada for counseling.


Gee Dan I had no idea I was insulting the fools,I guess it was kinda like the
Caveman commercials.So I suppose I should seek counseling and get myself a tin
foil pyramid hat to wear until I see the error of my ways.So I'm on the way to
Nevada , Uh by the way I didn't know they raised Rabbits in Nev.hmm wonder what
kind?....are they free ranging or penned? I guess I'll find out.

See ya

Chuck S

olympusE1 wrote:
> ...snip
>
>> One of the guys that used to fly with me on the airline used
>> to skydive with Zoom. And he said he was normal back then, and that
>> was back in either the late seventies or early eighties. But then
>> again, how normal is anyone who skydives :-)
>
> ...in the late 70s (1979, to be exact) he was being carted off from
> Tulsa in a butterfly net by his daddy because he was caught
> impersonating a doctor (using his grandfather's medical bag, white coat
> and I.D.) and scheduling his girlfriend for a hysterectomy. here's a
> few graphs of the Tulsa Tribune article:
>
> Tulsa Tribune
>
> Jan 4, 1979
> Page 1A
> " Doctor No
> All 'physician' lacked was a license
> By STEVE WARD
>
> Dashing young Dr. James Campbell had a standing offer with co-workers
> and
> neighbors at his apartment complex: Call him if they needed a doctor.
> They
> called often. He came to the rescue of a woman having a heart attack,
> gave
> first aid to a girl with a bad cut on her forehead, treated an next
> door
> neighbor's baby who had a cold and was planning to perform surgery on
> his
> girlfriend.
>
> Everyone liked Dr. Campbell. He told them he was a man of the world -
> he
> was working with the CIA, was a Vietnam veteran, a daredevil who once
> tried
> to parachute off the world trade center in New York City and was
> licensed
> to fly commercial jets. The only thing wrong was that Dr. Campbell,
> who
> practiced in Tulsa for four months, was not a doctor.
>
> Campbell was described by his father as being a "schizophrenic" who has
> tried to convince even his parents that he is a doctor, even though he
> never has attended medical school, officers said. Yet he functioned in
> a
> Tulsa suburb as a doctor, although he apparently never performed
> surgery,
> until last week. Everyone who came in contact with him until recent
> weeks
> was impressed."
>
> now, i don't know what, exactly, you use as a benchmark for normal, but
> in this case the manifestations of, shall we say, abnormality showed up
> rather early in life.
>
> al
>
Can the original article be posted somehow? The online Tulsa Tribune
archive only goes back to '89.

John

"TSS7" > wrote in message
...
> Is it the general consensus that Zoom's Aero News Network is not
> completely trustworthy? It would seem he is just re-posting news he
> gets from some source. But I wonder if he doesn't "doctor up" the
> articles himself. If he's doing that, then they should throw him off
> the internet. I wonder if there is proof of him doing just that??
> I've read his website, but I get the feeling he's censoring the news.

LMAO! Censoring the news???? LOL! I suppose you believe the story your mama
told you that every news media outlet in the US prints all the news it gets
and never once edits anything.

IQ's are dropping like rocks around here. :)



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"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, TSS7 says...
>>
>>That explains everything, it seems the insanity set in a lot earlier
>>than I had ever imagined. That being the case, we are wasting our time
>>with that dude, he's beyond help. Lawsuits won't make him any sainer.
>>The best that can be done is to spread the word far and wide about his
>>metal makup. Then the sain world will take his statements with the
>>proper perspective. But it's amazing how long someone can get away
>>with lies before some people find out the reason.
>>
>
> What he does is when things get to hot he lays low and waits for things to
> blow over .

That sentence describes you much better than him. Other difference is Jim
follows up on what he says he will do. You just run at the mouth, and that's
it. All bark, no bite. :)



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"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Paul Tomblin says...
>>
>>You missed the point. Montblack and I were pointing out that much, much
>>bigger organizations that massage the news to fit their twisted world
>>views are posting on the internet every day.
>
>
> ...and if your the object of the twisted news who knows but you?

And that's really the only issue here, isn't it. Your whining about how ANN
treats you. Boohoohoo. Somebody shed a tear. :)

And of course, it's only wrong when you're the recipient. If it's you
dishing it out, it's ok, until it gets forcefeed down your throat by the
likes of me.

<chuckle> Spare me the sob story, putz.




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In a previous article, "Juan Jimenez" > said:
>And that's really the only issue here, isn't it. Your whining about how ANN
>treats you. Boohoohoo. Somebody shed a tear. :)
>
>And of course, it's only wrong when you're the recipient. If it's you
>dishing it out, it's ok, until it gets forcefeed down your throat by the
>likes of me.

http://www.ousterhout.net/fly-in/pv-05/stella.jpg

Looks like a very thin book.


--
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'Usenet "belongs" to those who administer the hosts of which it is comprised'
- RFC 1036, draft revision

In a previous article, "J.Kahn" > said:
>Can the original article be posted somehow? The online Tulsa Tribune
>archive only goes back to '89.

http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom/notadoc.html



--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
God does not play dice with the Universe. -- Albert Einstein.

("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
> http://www.ousterhout.net/fly-in/pv-05/stella.jpg
>
> Looks like a very thin book.


I'm waiting for the movie...

Get Shorty (1995)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113161/
(Goofs:) Continuity: The airplanes in the background change when Bear
confronts Chili in the parking garage.


Montblack
[Chili Palmer] What is that?
[Rental Car Attendant] It's an Oldsmobile Silhouette.

[Chili Palmer] I ordered a Cadillac.
[Rental Car Attendant] Oh, well, you got the Cadillac of minivans.

In article >, J.Kahn says...
article:
>>
>> Tulsa Tribune
>>
>> Jan 4, 1979
>> Page 1A
>> " Doctor No
>> All 'physician' lacked was a license
>> By STEVE WARD
>
>Can the original article be posted somehow? The online Tulsa Tribune
>archive only goes back to '89.


Go to www.ousterhout.net/zoom/tulsa.html and you'll see the entire article with
a picture of the dashing young Dr :-)

See ya

Chuck S
"credibility it was always about credibility"....chuck s

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> In a previous article, "J.Kahn" > said:
>> Can the original article be posted somehow? The online Tulsa Tribune
>> archive only goes back to '89.
>
> http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom/notadoc.html

That article explains a lot. Unfortunately if he is really
schizophrenic then he will never have to answer for his crimes. All his
lawyer has to do is play the "crazy" card... At worst he will have to
spend some time in a loony bin. However any time he's in the loony bin
is time he isn't bothering anyone (on the outside...)

This also begs the question, it yuan crazy too?

Tony

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "TSS7" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Is it the general consensus that Zoom's Aero News Network is not
> > completely trustworthy? It would seem he is just re-posting news he
> > gets from some source. But I wonder if he doesn't "doctor up" the
> > articles himself. If he's doing that, then they should throw him off
> > the internet. I wonder if there is proof of him doing just that??
> > I've read his website, but I get the feeling he's censoring the news.
>
> LMAO! Censoring the news???? LOL! I suppose you believe the story your mama
> told you that every news media outlet in the US prints all the news it gets
> and never once edits anything.
>
> IQ's are dropping like rocks around here. :)
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

You are right, when it comes to zzzoom you do have the IQ of a
rock!!!

Frank M.Hitlaw

In article <Xymih.5723$Pq4.3588@trndny08>, Anthony W says...
>
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> In a previous article, "J.Kahn" > said:
>>> Can the original article be posted somehow? The online Tulsa Tribune
>>> archive only goes back to '89.
>>
>> http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom/notadoc.html
>
>That article explains a lot. Unfortunately if he is really
>schizophrenic then he will never have to answer for his crimes. All his
>lawyer has to do is play the "crazy" card... At worst he will have to
>spend some time in a loony bin. However any time he's in the loony bin
>is time he isn't bothering anyone (on the outside...)
>
>This also begs the question, it yuan crazy too?

Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same traits as
his hero zoom. In my opinion jaun is an an extreme example of a wannabe just
like zoom is. Neither one of them have made any real contribution to aviation
and they envy those who did. So they drop names and hang around the edges trying
to bask in some of the glory that the true achievers have.

jaun can't get an assignment writing for the legitmate avaition press and zoom
will take anyone he can get. I notice that no legitimate free lance writers work
for zoom or if they do it's not for long. I also see that Kevin "hognose"
O'Brien is now gone .I wonder why? Also Idon't hear anything about Rutan or the
zero G business anymore from zoom . Is it possible they got wise to his
"Phoniness" ?

jaun gave up his credibility for zoom and he'll never get it back and his antics
here further prove that he's a loser trying to impress . Maybe he fixes
computers but so does every high school kid so I'm not impressed. But I also
know that jaun doesn't care whether I'm impressed or not so I'm sure he'll have
no comment.Basically he's a "YAWN"

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

On 21 Dec 2006 04:07:32 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

>>This also begs the question, it yuan crazy too?
>
>Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same traits as
>his hero zoom. In my opinion jaun is an an extreme example of a wannabe just
>like zoom is.

Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of years back
he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about Zoom.
ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
newsgroups.

Ron Wanttaja

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2006 04:07:32 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> > wrote:
>
>>> This also begs the question, it yuan crazy too?
>> Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same traits as
>> his hero zoom. In my opinion jaun is an an extreme example of a wannabe just
>> like zoom is.
>
> Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of years back
> he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about Zoom.
> ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
> newsgroups.

Not to mention his slavish devotion to Bede.

In article >, Ron Wanttaja says...
>
>
>Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of years back
>he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about Zoom.
>ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
>newsgroups.

Agreed he does enjoy stirring the pot but to the extent he does it with totally
illogical reasoning seems bizzare. If he does the same thing on other groups, to
me shows that something is wrong upstairs. IMHO I know people who like to
agitate but never to the point of ruining their reputation and credibllity. It's
a small world now a days with the net and one never knows who's watching and
reading what you post. Then again possibly I've lead a sheltered life LOL!!

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret



>
>Ron Wanttaja

Jaun is little more than a child starved for attention and is willing
to take that attention even if it means he has to take the role of
Court Jester to get it. You are 100% right, he will take side of the
Zoomsters, Moller, Bede, or whomever will draw him the most flack and
attention. The absolute worst thing you can do to Jaun is ignore him.
He wants your response and the madder he can make you the better.
Ignore him and you take away his purpose and eventually he will go
away.


Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2006 04:07:32 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> > wrote:
>
> >>This also begs the question, it yuan crazy too?
> >
> >Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same traits as
> >his hero zoom. In my opinion jaun is an an extreme example of a wannabe just
> >like zoom is.
>
> Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of years back
> he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about Zoom.
> ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
> newsgroups.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Gawd, if you keep giving him compliments, he will never go away!

wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > "TSS7" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Is it the general consensus that Zoom's Aero News Network is not
> > > completely trustworthy? It would seem he is just re-posting news he
> > > gets from some source. But I wonder if he doesn't "doctor up" the
> > > articles himself. If he's doing that, then they should throw him off
> > > the internet. I wonder if there is proof of him doing just that??
> > > I've read his website, but I get the feeling he's censoring the news.
> >
> > LMAO! Censoring the news???? LOL! I suppose you believe the story your mama
> > told you that every news media outlet in the US prints all the news it gets
> > and never once edits anything.
> >
> > IQ's are dropping like rocks around here. :)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
> You are right, when it comes to zzzoom you do have the IQ of a
> rock!!!
>
> Frank M.Hitlaw

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Ron Wanttaja
> says...
>>
>>
>>Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of years
>>back
>>he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about
>>Zoom.
>>ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
>>newsgroups.
>
> Agreed he does enjoy stirring the pot but to the extent he does it with
> totally
> illogical reasoning seems bizzare. If he does the same thing on other
> groups, to
> me shows that something is wrong upstairs. IMHO I know people who like to
> agitate but never to the point of ruining their reputation and
> credibllity. It's
> a small world now a days with the net and one never knows who's watching
> and
> reading what you post. Then again possibly I've lead a sheltered life
> LOL!!
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>

Kind of like a little "social vortex generator". Something that hangs
around just behind the leading edge, and makes waves. No real purpose, and
since we're not generating "social lift", useless.

Al G

> Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of years
> back
> he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about
> Zoom.
> ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
> newsgroups.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

One of the "prototypes" was for sale not long ago on E-Bay and someone
jokingly asked in the group if the tower and tether game with the prototype.
I said, "I don't know let's ask." And I did. Here was the answer.

Response from moller_international
moller_international( 0)
Positive feedback: 0%
Member since: Mar-22-05
Location: CA, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com


Item: Moller International M200X VTOL Prototype
(250049563201)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
moller_international is the seller.



No, it does not come with the tether and the tower. We
have flown it without the tether but only rarely. It has flown only within
our propery, which is about 4 acres.

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> Agreed he does enjoy stirring the pot but to the extent he does it with totally
> illogical reasoning seems bizzare. If he does the same thing on other groups, to
> me shows that something is wrong upstairs. IMHO I know people who like to
> agitate but never to the point of ruining their reputation and credibllity. It's
> a small world now a days with the net and one never knows who's watching and
> reading what you post. Then again possibly I've lead a sheltered life LOL!!
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

Then it's like a child's temper tantrum. Any attentions is good even if
it's negative attention.

Tony

"BobR" > wrote in message
ps.com...

<...> The absolute worst thing you can do to Jaun is ignore him.


Assuming, for the moment, that is true. I would suggest that is the one
thing that he doesn't have to worry about.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

>No, it does not come with the tether and the tower. We
>have flown it without the tether but only rarely. It has flown only within
>our propery, which is about 4 acres.

I don't suppose there's video somewhere of this happening? Oh yeah, and can someone explain to me how anyone in the world with (non-inherited) investment money could believe the fuel economy estimates?

EXACTLY! Look at his posts in other groups and it becomes very clear.

Anthony W wrote:
> ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>
> > Agreed he does enjoy stirring the pot but to the extent he does it with totally
> > illogical reasoning seems bizzare. If he does the same thing on other groups, to
> > me shows that something is wrong upstairs. IMHO I know people who like to
> > agitate but never to the point of ruining their reputation and credibllity. It's
> > a small world now a days with the net and one never knows who's watching and
> > reading what you post. Then again possibly I've lead a sheltered life LOL!!
> >
> > Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
>
> Then it's like a child's temper tantrum. Any attentions is good even if
> it's negative attention.
>
> Tony

In article >,
"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote:

> > Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of years
> > back
> > he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about
> > Zoom.
> > ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
> > newsgroups.
> >
> > Ron Wanttaja
>
> One of the "prototypes" was for sale not long ago on E-Bay and someone
> jokingly asked in the group if the tower and tether game with the prototype.
> I said, "I don't know let's ask." And I did. Here was the answer.
>
> Response from moller_international
> moller_international( 0)
> Positive feedback: 0%
> Member since: Mar-22-05
> Location: CA, United States
> Registered on: www.ebay.com
>
>
> Item: Moller International M200X VTOL Prototype
> (250049563201)
> This message was sent while the listing was active.
> moller_international is the seller.
>
>
>
> No, it does not come with the tether and the tower. We
> have flown it without the tether but only rarely. It has flown only within
> our propery, which is about 4 acres.

Translation: "It scared the hell out of us so much that we decided to
park it and offer it on ebay,'as is'."

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article >,
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote:
>
> > > Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of years
> > > back
> > > he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about
> > > Zoom.
> > > ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
> > > newsgroups.
> > >
> > > Ron Wanttaja
> >
> > One of the "prototypes" was for sale not long ago on E-Bay and someone
> > jokingly asked in the group if the tower and tether game with the prototype.
> > I said, "I don't know let's ask." And I did. Here was the answer.
> >
> > Response from moller_international
> > moller_international( 0)
> > Positive feedback: 0%
> > Member since: Mar-22-05
> > Location: CA, United States
> > Registered on: www.ebay.com
> >
> >
> > Item: Moller International M200X VTOL Prototype
> > (250049563201)
> > This message was sent while the listing was active.
> > moller_international is the seller.
> >
> >
> >
> > No, it does not come with the tether and the tower. We
> > have flown it without the tether but only rarely. It has flown only within
> > our propery, which is about 4 acres.
>
> Translation: "It scared the hell out of us so much that we decided to
> park it and offer it on ebay,'as is'.

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, J.Kahn says...
> article:
>>> Tulsa Tribune
>>>
>>> Jan 4, 1979
>>> Page 1A
>>> " Doctor No
>>> All 'physician' lacked was a license
>>> By STEVE WARD
>> Can the original article be posted somehow? The online Tulsa Tribune
>> archive only goes back to '89.
>
>
> Go to www.ousterhout.net/zoom/tulsa.html and you'll see the entire article with
> a picture of the dashing young Dr :-)
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S
> "credibility it was always about credibility"....chuck s
>
Thanks Chuck

You run into people with narcissistic personality disorder all the time
in a big corporation, in middle and senior management levels, because
they are such superb actors and manipulators. I used to work for one.
Even though I knew he hated my guts and tried to get me fired for
challenging him in a meeting, when he left the department and came
around for goodbyes he turned on the charm and left me thinking "gee,
what a nice guy".

One hallmark of these people is you can't get them mad by insulting
them, because other people are just objects and their opinions mean
nothing. The only thing that gets them angry is doing something to get
in their way somehow, like obstructing a goal. Then the mask comes off
and the rage starts. This guy was famous for exploding at meetings when
triggered by some kind of bad news.


Cheers

John

Paul Tomblin wrote:


> "throw him off the internet"? What the **** are you talking about? The
> cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.

Just FYI ~ the Zoom is a documented liar. It's not about
censorship...it's about a scumbag who lies to his readers, defrauds
advertisers, claims to be a Purple Heart Vietnam Veteran but didn't
step one inch "In Country," cannot back up his flying claims with
logbooks, has impersonated a 747 pilot for Japan Air Lines, has
impersonated a doctor, has prescribed medicine without a license,
attempted an unauthorized parachute jump from the World Trade Center
and resisisted arrest when Law Enforcement tried to stop him, had
committed perjury, has flown dangeriously, has had his medical pulled
for personality disorders and Schizophrenia, has stalked his ex-wife
and ex-fiance, has stalked employees and fellow workers he has had
gripes with, called Social Services on people he had disagreements with
and alleged child abuse, is alleged to have turned an enemy in to the
Secret Service with a false claim of a Threat against the life of the
President; and on and on and on...thirty years plus of his crap.

No way is this censorship. This is about bringing a criminal to
justice and halting his negative influence over others, including the
young. This is about halting a "Cowboy" Aviator who wipes his ass with
the Law, the FARs and anyone he chooses on the spur of the moment.

Also, if he has nothing original to offer and only rehashes Press
Releases that others are publishing anyway, what has been
censored...what has been lost...other than a piece of filth who was of
a human life.

Juan Jimenez wrote:


> That sentence describes you much better than him. Other difference is Jim
> follows up on what he says he will do. You just run at the mouth, and that's
> it. All bark, no bite. :)

Hey Traitor!

You back!?

Imagine a U.S. Marine supporting a lying S.O.B. who claims to be a
Purple Heart Vietnam Veteran...that's Juan Jimenez, for you!

The Jane Fonda of the U.S. Marines...

Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> <chuckle> Spare me the sob story, putz.
>

Hanoi Juan spews again...

Anthony W wrote:

>At worst he will have to
> spend some time in a loony bin. However any time he's in the loony bin
> is time he isn't bothering anyone (on the outside...)
>
> This also begs the question, it yuan crazy too?
>
> Tony


Zoom is motivated by greed and gloryhounding. It's the greed angle
that will trip him up and get him launched into a Federal Penitentiary.
The Judge will see right through the Schizo act and beyond that, Jimbo
the Rocket Clown has had over thirty years to get effective help and
hasn't.

Yawn is also driven by personal profit and gloryhounding of his own.
Why else would a U.S. Marine sell out Vietnam Veterans by supporting a
Poser claiming to be one, even wounded in action, when he never stepped
foot "in country." Well, both are liars, and Aesop said:

"Birds of a Feather Flock Together." ****birds in particular.

Juan is filth...moreso than Campbell. Just the same, flush 'em both
down the same toilet. Yellow cowards that they are! Liars that they
are.

They have no business in Aviation, Journalism, or outside of a Prison
loose on a Free Society which they contribute nothing to, but rather,
take volumes away from.

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> LMAO! Censoring the news???? LOL! I suppose you believe the story your mama
> told you that every news media outlet in the US prints all the news it gets
> and never once edits anything.

Then you admit censorship and withholding information that violates the
First Amendment and the Public's right to know...

....not surprising, coming from a traitor.

In article >, J.Kahn says...

>One hallmark of these people is you can't get them mad by insulting
>them, because other people are just objects and their opinions mean
>nothing. The only thing that gets them angry is doing something to get
>in their way somehow, like obstructing a goal. Then the mask comes off
>and the rage starts. This guy was famous for exploding at meetings when
>triggered by some kind of bad news.

Your right zoom can be a charmer you also right in that insulting them really
doesn't bother them unless it's as you say getting in the way of a goal.He has
no sense of responsibility for any of his actions nor any compassion for those
he's harmed. Somewhere there was a posting stating all the medical reasons for
what he does but I don't remember where.

Merry Christmas

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

In a previous article, "DABEAR" > said:
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
>
>> "throw him off the internet"? What the **** are you talking about? The
>> cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.
>
>Just FYI ~ the Zoom is a documented liar. It's not about
>censorship...it's about a scumbag who lies to his readers, defrauds

There is no law against lying on the internet. There is no law against
being a scumbag on the internet. If there were, there would be a lot
fewer sites.

Prosecute or sue him for the things he does which are against the law
(there appear to be many), but don't think you get him "thrown off the
internet".

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
My group's mission statement - 'You want *what* ? By *WHEN* ?'
-- Simon Burr

Juan Jimenez wrote:
..
>
> IQ's are dropping like rocks around here. :)

Only since you're arrival...coincidence...I highly doubt it!

Why don't you get lost, Traitor Boy!?

You're screwing with our curve!

Not to mention, you're stinking up the Newsgroup...

He's just plain sick. The aviation community is relatively small, and
with more types like him running around, it could cause harm. I'm glad
there's not more like that idiot running aviation websites, magazines,
ect.. One sick-oh is enough in that position.
There's no way he could have been in Viet Nam, he's too young.
By the time he was old enough, everyone was coming home, (Circa 1975)
He probably wasn't old enough then. I'm surprised he hasn't claimed
he's seen UFO's also. Or been abducted by them. That's a favorite
line used by those desperate for attention. Which he obviously is.
I can remember reading his magazine when he was whining about his wife
leaving him. I can only imagine what she'd say about what it was like
being married to him. Those sick types can usually hide their mental
sickness long enough to suck in the unsuspecting, but the poor other
half always figure it out and can't get away fast enough. Back then,
he was blaming his mairage breakup on all the mean people that were
attacking him because he was telling the "truth" about problems with
their products. One being the Capella. He was trying to give the
impression that all the other magazines were lying because they didn't
want to scare away advertisers, and his mag would tell it like it is.
Some of that probably does exist, but looking back, his magazine was
not the place to find truth either.


On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:44:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

>In a previous article, "DABEAR" > said:
>>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "throw him off the internet"? What the **** are you talking about? The
>>> cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.
>>
>>Just FYI ~ the Zoom is a documented liar. It's not about
>>censorship...it's about a scumbag who lies to his readers, defrauds
>
>There is no law against lying on the internet. There is no law against
>being a scumbag on the internet. If there were, there would be a lot
>fewer sites.
>
>Prosecute or sue him for the things he does which are against the law
>(there appear to be many), but don't think you get him "thrown off the
>internet".

Al G wrote:> Kind of like a little "social vortex generator".
Something that hangs
> around just behind the leading edge, and makes waves. No real purpose, and
> since we're not generating "social lift", useless.
>
> Al G

Yeah, but Al...doesn't that describe a fart, as well!? <G>

Perhaps we should "light him up" for entertainment!?

Paul Tomblin wrote:


> There is no law against lying on the internet. There is no law against
> being a scumbag on the internet. If there were, there would be a lot
> fewer sites.

Fraud is against the Law on the internet and consitutes and/or involves
the use of lying.


> Prosecute or sue him for the things he does which are against the law
> (there appear to be many), but don't think you get him "thrown off the
> internet".

Absolutely, this is the better way, because he can be denied internet
access from a Judge since it contributes to his crimes, and
incarcerated and kept from his computer or any other, for having abused
the use of the same. Fine him so that he can't afford computers,
internet services, nor even a few minutes at an internet cafe. Perhaps
teach him a lesson so he doesn't repeat his crimes.

I totally agree with you on your point immediately above and that's
what I'm progressing towards in regards to both him and his boss.
Others have been fighting Campbell, his boss, in the Courts for years
and will succeed eventually.

Either way, by Law, by act of Law, by act of a Judge, I envision both
men will be "thrown off the internet," just not in the manner implied
that you can go to a server and have them dismissed.

Only a Judge can order such a sentence and they have to commit a Felony
to lose their Constitutional Rights in a Court of Law. Misdemeanors
won't do it.

"DABEAR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
<mercy snip>

Shut the **** up, mascot boy. Nobody was talking to ya. Back to your bone.
:)



--
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"DABEAR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>

<mercy snip>

Shut the **** up, mascot boy. Speak only when spoken to. :)



--
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> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> You are right, when it comes to zzzoom you do have the IQ of a
> rock!!!

I have no idea what that sentence means, I'm sure someone in Oklahoma can
translate it. :)



--
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"DABEAR" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>

<mercy snip>

Shut the **** up, mascot boy. Speak when spoken to. <thwappp!> Git! :)



--
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"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same traits
> as his hero zoom.

<mercy snip>

Kinda like when you claimed here that zoom was surreptitiously taking pics
of you, when in fact he was in the wide open? LOL!

That's ok, though. In my opinion I'd rather claim traits from Zoom than from
people whose children have to sue them to get paid for honest work, or who
have family members who abuse drugs and/or their children and have them
taken away, or who can claim heroes die in things they build. :)



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"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
...
> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>> On 21 Dec 2006 04:07:32 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> This also begs the question, it yuan crazy too?
>>> Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same
>>> traits as
>>> his hero zoom. In my opinion jaun is an an extreme example of a wannabe
>>> just
>>> like zoom is.
>>
>> Nahhh, Juan just likes stirring the pot. If you recall, a number of
>> years back
>> he defended Paul Moller and the Moller Skycar the same way he talks about
>> Zoom.
>> ISTR others have mentioned that he does the same kinds of things in other
>> newsgroups.
>
> Not to mention his slavish devotion to Bede.

As opposes to your slavish envy of Bede? :)



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"DABEAR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
>
>> "throw him off the internet"? What the **** are you talking about? The
>> cure for bad speech is good speech, not censorship.
>
> Just FYI ~ the Zoom is a documented liar.

As opposed to your status as a documented, time-proven, yellow-striped
coward? :)




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TSS7 wrote:
> He's just plain sick. The aviation community is relatively small, and
> with more types like him running around, it could cause harm. I'm glad
> there's not more like that idiot running aviation websites, magazines,
> ect.. One sick-oh is enough in that position.
> There's no way he could have been in Viet Nam, he's too young.
> By the time he was old enough, everyone was coming home, (Circa 1975)
> He probably wasn't old enough then. I'm surprised he hasn't claimed
> he's seen UFO's also. Or been abducted by them.

Or, better yet, that he has piloted them!

In a previous article, "DABEAR" > said:
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> There is no law against lying on the internet. There is no law against
>> being a scumbag on the internet. If there were, there would be a lot
>> fewer sites.
>
>Fraud is against the Law on the internet and consitutes and/or involves
>the use of lying.

Don't quit your day job to practice law, because you suck at it. Lying
is not the sole constituent of fraud. There has to deception for personal
gain. And it has to be pretty cut-and-dried that "lie A" resulted in
"theft B", not just that you told a lot of lies to make people think
you're a big man, and that caused people to trust you who shouldn't have.

Saying "I was in Viet Nam" on a web site is not fraud. Saying "I was in
Viet Nam" in an application for vets benefits is fraud. Saying "I'm a
doctor" in a bar to pick up women isn't fraud, but saying "I'm a doctor"
and offering to perform a medical exam is fraud.

Bill O'Reilly tells worse lies every day, and all that happens to him is
that Al Franken writes books about him.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs
30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh
only 1 1/2 tons. ---Popular Mechanics, March 1949

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>
>"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same traits
>> as his hero zoom.
>
><mercy snip>
>
>Kinda like when you claimed here that zoom was surreptitiously taking pics
>of you, when in fact he was in the wide open? LOL!

He was in the wide open I never said he wasn't but he did take a picture of me
and Bink in our booth. zoom printed those photos on ANN and you know it.

>
>That's ok, though. In my opinion I'd rather claim traits from Zoom than from
>people whose children have to sue them to get paid for honest work,

OK prove what you just said . When did my kids EVER sue me . Prove it !! It
never happened.Now that's a true zoom trait, make a snide accusation then refuse
to back it up .Lets have some proof of what you just said if I got sued there
would be a court record prove it...

> or who
>have family members who abuse drugs and/or their children and have them
>taken away,


Must be someone else your talking about how about proving that one as well?
There would be Court records for this as well. I could say the same thing to you
and say...In my opinion your gay and your wife is a hooker and your son sleeps
with sheep now prove otherwise.


>or who can claim heroes die in things they build. :)


Maybe you think a hero dying is funny I don't .Read the probable cause from the
NTSB

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>
>"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same traits
>> as his hero zoom.
>
><mercy snip>
>
>Kinda like when you claimed here that zoom was surreptitiously taking pics
>of you, when in fact he was in the wide open? LOL!



Nothing to laugh about .zoom being wide open was never an issue,he was in the
open took the picture and posted it on ANN .set match.


>
>That's ok, though. In my opinion I'd rather claim traits from Zoom than from
>people whose children have to sue them to get paid for honest work, or who
>have family members who abuse drugs and/or their children and have them
>taken away,


We been thru this before, I guess you have a short attention span. Once again
I'll ask the so called self proclaimed journalist to prove what you just said.
If my kids sued me then there'd surely be Court records .We have Court records
of zooms lawsuits so show me the records of these lawsuits. Be sure that more
then the last names are the same. Facts just the facts please, save the snide
remarks for your mother.

>or who can claim heroes die in things they build. :)

I don't think that a hero dying is funny at all and the NTSB probable cause and
narative say it all. Don't be so smug because as soon as you sell your none
flying airplane your neck will be stuck out as well and Karma has a way of
getting even...You may wish you made a wind tee out of it. I hope you and zoom
get everything you deserve.

I eagerly await your proofs.

Chuck S RAH 14/1 ret

"credibility it was always about credibility"....chuck s
>
>
>

Paul Tomblin wrote:
<snip>
>
> Bill O'Reilly tells worse lies every day, and all that happens to him is
> that Al Franken writes books about him.
>
Franken is as big a liar as anyone, the difference is he's
constantly vulgar when he does it. I lost a lot of respect for him when
I realized he can't make a cogent argument without spewing filth.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
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> In article >, Juan Jimenez
> says...
>>
>>
>>"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Actually I don't think so but at times he exhibits many of the same
>>> traits
>>> as his hero zoom.
>>
>><mercy snip>
>>
>>Kinda like when you claimed here that zoom was surreptitiously taking pics
>>of you, when in fact he was in the wide open? LOL!
>
> He was in the wide open I never said he wasn't but he did take a picture
> of me
> and Bink in our booth. zoom printed those photos on ANN and you know it.

Wrong, putz. You claimed you saw him changing lenses. We had two lenses that
entire show, I was using one, he was using the other. You got punk'd. Deal
with it. <chuckle>

>>That's ok, though. In my opinion I'd rather claim traits from Zoom than
>>from
>>people whose children have to sue them to get paid for honest work,
>
> OK prove what you just said . When did my kids EVER sue me . Prove it !!
> It
> never happened.Now that's a true zoom trait, make a snide accusation then
> refuse
> to back it up .Lets have some proof of what you just said if I got sued
> there
> would be a court record prove it...

Oh, so you think I was talking about you? Hmm. I guess I must have rung your
bell. :)

<Mercy snip>

<yank the chain, watch the great, big monkey dance...>



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"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
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<mercy snip>

> I eagerly await your proofs.

All bark, no bite. We've been waiting for you to get your "ducks in a row"
for years now. You're nothing but a two-bit putz, ChuckSteak. :)




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